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Jack
1st February 2008, 18:34
Would just like to know what rules they fall under? is it microlight rules :confused: for instance could i fly into a airfield with full ATC if properly equipped? and they allowed microlights there of course?

Dave Smith
5th February 2008, 16:14
I don't think it's sub-70. Both wing and trike are typical Northern brick out-houses (but the better for it). Yes to SSDR. WILL need registration (and a Mode S transponder ID like the one my Chaser just got...).
Dave

Paul Dewhurst
7th February 2008, 16:43
Sub 70's need registration, so this must pre date the registartion requirement which came in in 1982 I believe. As such unless it was flown illegally it hasnt flown for 26years, and also will represent a very early period of the sport when things were developining fast and some types werent very good at all. I would be very careful - make sure it is a known configuration with a history of structural soundness and reasonable flying charactersistics. Do you know what it is exactly? Also the engine unless regularly run may be a scrapper. Might not be cheap flying at all.....!

Paul

Paul Dewhurst
8th February 2008, 16:42
Peter

The Cutlass doesnt seem to have made it through type acceptance ( the procedure put in place in 84 to keep pre section S flying)- at least I couldnt see it on the list. So it either means no one could be bothered, or there may be a structural or handling issue that put the kybosh on it. I would steer well clear if I were you and try and find something that did get through and has some history and type spec so you can be sure its safe - or do some deep digging and try and get specific information. A lot of the earlier wings were hangliders with trike hung underneath. If unmodified they can have insufficient structural margin for all but featherweight pilots. Some did have mod packs to sleeve uprights and crosstubes and beef up wire sizes. So again you really need some specialist knowledge of type to verify all this and teh mod state of this machine. Mainair might be a good place to start - Roger Patrick has some history with Hornet and might be able to help.

Dont forget that it also is very unlikely to have a noise cert, so you will have to arrange that too (and hope it passes).

Caveat emptor.....

Paul

Dave Smith
8th February 2008, 17:12
I used to fly a dual-seat Storm Buggy (Nic Wrigley designed and built) with a 'dual' Cutlass. The latter was a beefed up large Cutlass (oversleeved uprights and crosstubes, and a single deflexer added to the leading edge - although Len Gabriels only added this as an afterthought after someone filmed his own dual seater (concentric drive counter rotating props driven from twin 215 Solos) in flight and showed quite how much the leading edges were bending ;-). I originally had a twin 430 Solo, but quickly replaced with a 440 Robin. I believe the Cutlass was accepted - Len's long gone, but Mainair had a good relationship with him and someone will remember the situation. I was godfather for Storm Buggies back then.

It was definitely legal in 86 when I sold it, and would have been on the exemption at that time. I suspect the final TADS may never have been completed - but check on the BMAA site.
Paul's advice on sleeving and wire sizes is good, but I bet it's probably already been done.
Roger is the man for the Hornet. I don't think there's anything crucial to its continued airworthiness.

Dave

Paul Dewhurst
9th February 2008, 16:37
If its got the EC44Pm motor it may be a dual seater varient - solo ones normally have the 330 as the bigest lump.

Paul

Nick Axworthy
9th February 2008, 16:50
http://www.pmaviation.co.uk/index.php

Peter if you have a look at the contact details on the above web site you can get roger patrick there, good guy.

Nick.

ruff684
11th February 2008, 21:13
Peter Kelsey (BMAA 6668) SKYPE: ferryair wrote:

I will not be planning to fly it until I have full confirmation that it either fits into SSDR or is BMAA legal again.

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Good move Peter !!

Regards.........Bill