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FERRYAIR
6th April 2009, 16:39
PIONEER 400



The comfort, performance and reliability already consolidated in the Pioneer series are now exalted in the newborn 400.

Attractive design as never seen before to raise more and more our standards.

While mantaining the performance already known, the Pioneer 400 offers the most demanding pilots features at the top in the market.



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Specifications


DIMENSIONSV.L.AU.L.M.WING SPAN8,8 m8,8 mWING AREA11.2 mq11.2 mqLENGTH7 m7 mCABIN WIDTH1.10 m1.10 m<!--
ALTEZZA CABINA1.00 m-->
WEIGHTSV.L.A.U.L.M.EMPTY WEIGHT (base model - no parachute)360 kg290 kgMAX TAKE OFF WEIGHT750 kg450 kg<!--
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LOADSV.L.A.U.L.M.LOAD FACTOR+3,8/1,92 g
@ 560 kg+4 / -2 gFUEL CAPACITY80 l80 l<!--
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PAYLOAD390 Kg160 KgBAGGAGE VOLUME315 l315 lMAX BAGGAGE LOAD30 Kg30 Kg


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Performance


V.L.A.U.L.M.ENGINE POWER100hp
With variable Pitch PropellerMAXIMUM LEVELLED SPEED135 kts135 ktsCRUISE SPEED (@ 75% POWER)120 kts120 ktsSTALL SPEED43 kts35 ktsBEST ANGLE OF CLIMB SPEED (Vx)80 kts80 ktsBEST RATE OF CLIMB SPEED (Vy)65 kts65 ktsBEST CLIMB RATIO800 ft/min1500 ft/minROLL RATIO90/sec90/secGLIDE RATIO13:113:1RANGE (@ 75% POWER)900 km900 kmFUEL CONSUMPTION (@ 75% POWER)18.5 l/h18.5 l/hSERVICE CEILING 5000 m6000 mTAKE OFF DISTANCE280 m 120 mLANDING DISTANCE200 m 120 m
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hugh bethune
6th April 2009, 17:43
Peter.

They say that if it looks right it fly's right - that fin looks mighty slim in the photo?

Also, if payload @ 160kg is correct, me and my fellow chip eaters will have to change to lettuce!

Hugh.

Richard Goddin
6th April 2009, 20:46
To be approved in the UK it would need to have a MTOW of 450, which allows minus 12 kg of fuel!!!! Peter Kelsey will tell you how this is calculated. A non-starter at 450 kg MTOW I fear.

rgds Rick


hugh bethune wrote:

Peter.

They say that if it looks right it fly's right - that fin looks mighty slim in the photo?

Also, if payload @ 160kg is correct, me and my fellow chip eaters will have to change to lettuce!

Hugh.

FERRYAIR
6th April 2009, 22:12
I cannot personally see the Pioneer 400 ever being a UK Microlight as it would need to weigh a basic weight of 266kg and sadly it is shown as 290kg :mad:

The PIONEER 400 would end up being: 290kg (empty weight) + 86kg (pilot) + 86kg (passenger) + 12kg (1hr fuel @MCP) = 474kg

However as a VLA it works: 360kg (empty weight) +86kg (pilot) + 86kg (passenger) + 12kg (1hr fuel @MCP) = 544kg so the spare 206kg could be the 99kg that it would take to top off the fuel tanks, still leaving 107kg for rear pax/bags.

So as a VLA it is a goer, I am wondering though on where the VLA gains 70kg over the ULM !!!


Rick Goddin wrote:

To be approved in the UK it would need to have a MTOW of 450, which allows minus 12 kg of fuel!!!! Peter Kelsey will tell you how this is calculated. A non-starter at 450 kg MTOW I fear.

rgds Rick




Peter.

They say that if it looks right it fly's right - that fin looks mighty slim in the photo?

Also, if payload @ 160kg is correct, me and my fellow chip eaters will have to change to lettuce!

Hugh.

Dave S
7th April 2009, 13:49
If this is the one i saw at Fredrishaven it was a 4 seater (yes 4 seats on a rotax!!)

looked realy good.

I will post som photos in a min.

Dave

Dave S
7th April 2009, 13:53
Here are the pics

Attached files http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49112=4007-alpi-400.jpg (http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49112=4007-alpi-400.jpg) http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49112=4008-alpi-400-1.jpg (http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49112=4008-alpi-400-1.jpg) http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49112=4009-alpi-400-2.jpg (http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49112=4009-alpi-400-2.jpg)

Dave S
7th April 2009, 13:59
its the same as the Hawk but with the fuz cut in half and a bit grafted in the middle (there words not mine!)

realy was a nice bit of kit, i almost got my cheque book out!

they say it will be about 100k for the kit.

Dave

FERRYAIR
7th April 2009, 15:08
Few more pics of the Bambino, LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING A DEMO FLIGHT IN ONE :rofl:

Attached files http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49121=4010-img_4142.jpg (http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49121=4010-img_4142.jpg) http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49121=4011-img_4143.jpg (http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49121=4011-img_4143.jpg) http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49121=4012-img_4144.jpg (http://cloudniner.co.uk/images/converted_files/49121=4012-img_4144.jpg)

Rod1
15th April 2009, 13:06
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FERRYAIR
15th April 2009, 19:24
Very interesting...... but shame it is 1.5X the price of the P400 !


Rod Smith wrote:

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Rod1

Rod1
16th April 2009, 09:24
Dyn Aero has a lot of experience at building the MCR4s, the P400 is new. I suspect all the pricing will get reviewed as the real launch dates approach. I have sat in the back of a 4s for a quick fly round and it is a very impressive bit of kit.

Rod1

micropilot999
22nd November 2009, 22:41
I paid a (fully refundable) deposit on a P400. No date for delivery and no price and Frank rarely replies when i ask him where we are with price and timescale. If I dont get any sense from him at the show I will be asking for my deposit back

Kev T