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  • #16
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    I Suggest you get a good emersion suit and life jacket call a may day hit the beacon button and hope you've filed your flight plan.

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    • #17
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      Great topic guys, what it is all about.
      Plan a crossing in 07 to the UK and this advice may be useful, but have to say that the posting that MAX made previous to this one seems to say it all for me.

      (1) Flight plan
      (2) Immersion suit & life jacket
      (3) ELT activated as soon as possible
      (4) Proper radio call, Bearing/Distance out/Altitude & 121.5

      I believe that every episode of ditching will be different, may/may not end up inverted and who is to say what will happen next.

      O yes... donít forget about the possible aftermath of this...proper life insurance on yourself..... don't think twice about the aeroplane, the insurance Co. can own it !

      Jon

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      • #18
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        Talk to David Lane on 01562 884585. He was thew guy doing the tals at the Splash show on ditching.
        Terry

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        • #19
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          Hello all,

          Not that I am trying to be flippant here, but I remember reading somewhere the reassuring placard that Mustang pilots saw when they climbed into their aircraft to fly across the Channel. It said "DO NOT DITCH THIS AIRCRAFT".

          Best regards,

          Bob Hood.
          XL's forever! Well, one of them anyway. It's all I can afford, not to mention the Raven and the Mini-Max. Oh, and I almost forgot the Spectrum as well :-)

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          • #20
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            Get the Crewsaver with the neoprene wrist and neck seals, they are more comfortable and just as effective as the rubber ones.

            Donald

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            • #21
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              Rick,
              can you give us an on-line contact for the breathable suits ?

              Also, advice on ELT's would be appreciated... recommendation's, ones to buy, ones not to buy ?

              Jon

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              • #22
                Ditching

                Rick Hi!
                Thanks for the information regarding Survival Equipment. Very useful.
                Regards
                Gerry

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                • #23
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                  Hello all,

                  Sorry to go off-subject, but to answer Peter's question about our airfield, the PPR has been on top of the club container for about 2 years. You shouldn't approach from the South, as that way lies the Elstree zone. It is also our no-fly zone, as we don't want to upset the locals in Shenley or surrounds. Our circuits are all to the North. Left hand for 05 and right hand for 23, both stay just to the North of the M25 and overfly the superstore. Our circuit height is 800ft so as not to upset the people who live next to the museum, (they complain!) and when climbing out on 05 we tend to head slightly to the right to give the museum a wide berth. That way we also avoid overflying the modeller's field just the other side of the motorway.

                  Best regards,

                  Bob Hood.
                  XL's forever! Well, one of them anyway. It's all I can afford, not to mention the Raven and the Mini-Max. Oh, and I almost forgot the Spectrum as well :-)

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                  • #24
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                    [2]
                    Remembering from my scuba diving days membrane dry suits ie the thin nylon type req a very good woolly bear suit under the suit to keep you warm without they are no good in cold water, the type we used had built in rubber boots,

                    The latex neck and wrist seals are a the weak part so the suit needs to be stored out of sunlight, a pair of neoprene diving gloves and bright yellow divers hood (stand out well to the chopper guys) my be worth thinking about as well, lots of heat lost there, thinking about it the downside of just a suit, not as easly seen from the air as a dingy

                    Nick Axworthy.
                    [/2]
                    "When once you have tasted flight...you will forever walk with your eyes turned skywards..."

                    https://www.youtube.com/user/nickjaxe/videos.

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                    • #25
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                      [3]SO TO SUMMARISE [/3]
                      (1) Wear a Drysuit, the type Rick has suggested
                      (2) Wear a lifejacket
                      (3) Call a May-day
                      (4) Carry a PLB
                      (5) Carry a Dye kit to paint the sea florocent green

                      And pray to whoever hell your maker is that it doesnt happen to you.

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                      • #26
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                        jonkil wrote:
                        SO TO SUMMARISE
                        (1) Wear a Drysuit, the type Rick has suggested
                        (2) Wear a lifejacket
                        (3) Call a May-day
                        (4) Carry a PLB
                        (5) Carry a Dye kit to paint the sea florocent green

                        And pray to whoever hell your maker is that it doesnt happen to you.

                        + know where you are. Lat - Long on the GPS and fly a straight line between coasting out and coasting in waypoints. If you file a flight plan Dover Mast DCT Cap Gris Nez, fly it accurately, so that you can tell them you are "5.6 miles from Cap Gris Nez".

                        The rescue helicopter for the shortest Channel crossing is based at Le Touquet, so get used to the smell of garlic and Galloise, as the winchman is going to get close and personal.

                        Donald

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                        • #27
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                          Ginge's statement on fitting flotation gear (air matresses) inside the wings seems a good idea. Perhaps mattresses would be a bit heavy and cumbersome to fit but how about those polythene bags filled with air thingies that you get in your "Screwfix" packageing to fill out the box - you know the ones that you need two hands to burst - and they take a fair pressure to do so, well they are very light and it would not take too many packed into the wing void (providing they don't interfere with control mechanisms) to keep you afloat.
                          On the actual ditching - for the X'air, I would undo the seat harness and roll out of the thing head first, about ten feet or so from the surface. Hitting the water at just over 30mph would be no worse than falling off a pair of water skis.

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                          • #28
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                            Yes Rick, I agree with all of that.

                            The Fladen is a very good winter flying suit and is certified for 1.5 hours in water temps of 5degC, which is colder than the Channel gets in winter.

                            I think Rick's comment about escape from a cockpit with a buoyant suit on is an issue. It could be an issue escaping from a trike too, but I suspect without resurrecting other debates I'm sure you have more chance of a simple exit from a trike.

                            For the same reasons, self inflating life jackets should never be worn.

                            Rick Goddin CMAe wrote: Peter and others

                            Google Fladen and you should find it.

                            I'm not sure about the benefits of a Fladen. It has in built buoyancy all over which could be a problem in a sinking enclosed aircraft. Also, it is not watertight nor is it meant to be. The zips let water in and the ankles are not sealed, so water can flow in and out of the suit. I imagine this is to prevent air gathering in the legs but, in any event, it would need to be worn with a lifejacket to ensure correct flotation. It is meant to offer some thermal protection, like a wet suit, with a relatively slow passage of water in and out - from memory the labelling suggests that it would give over an hour of additional protection at southern North Sea temperatures. It's mainly designed for trawlermen falling overboard etc and therefore not likely to be in the drink for too long.

                            If I was a flex wing pilot I would however wear one as they are just as effective if not more so than an Ozee suit - I think Pete Croney would say the same, are you available for comment Pete? In a fixed wing there is a risk that the positive buoyancy of the suit could trap you inside the aircraft (same as inflating a life jacket before you are clear) so I would personally not wear one inside an enclosed cabin. It is also much bulkier than the Crewsaver type of suit - twice the bulk I would hazard a guess.

                            Rick

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                            • #29
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                              Peter Kelsey wrote:
                              For a start the tailplane is highly likely to knock you out or smash your legs as it will still be moving forward at 30mph.
                              I guess you have never watched people exit a parachute jump ship.

                              Its a commonly held misconception that you will suddenly stop, like some Bugs Bunny cartoon character, and the aircraft will hit you.

                              They are travelling at the same speed as the aircraft and so drop away from it like a stone.

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                              • #30
                                Ditching

                                Wouldn't it be a bugger that after throwing youself out, a windmilling engine coughed into life again a flew away from you into the distance!!

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