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    Yak.. Southern maidens water..

    Mark Jackson wrote: Hi John

    It was 9 micro grammes :jumpin: not 9%, that was what you was drinking :turn:

    I was at BBQ near oulton park all day Saturday, I didn't see anyone fly over but the weather was good most of the day.

    Good to see you

    Me

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  • Kirk
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    And to update what I got up to:

    Thursday

    11.25 - departed Barton for the low level coridoor and discovered it was too low level for me - returned to Barton 11.50

    15.25 - departed Barton for the low level coridoor and discovered it was JUST ok for me - scooted on past Oulton Park (100pts!!) and headed south for the midlands, turned left and went to Fenland (100 Pts!!!)

    18.00 - discovered that the fen in Fenlands is another word for bog or puddle, both applied to the runway.

    Friday

    03.00 - awoke cold and wet having discovered the wind limits of my tent had been exceeded

    15.00 - discovered the wind limits of 4 ropes and stakes on a Raven were being exceeded so used body weight to slow down the raven and arms to attract attention from tower for more bodies - decided to use fire truck to act as wind break and ground anchor in place of 5 people.

    16.00- after lowering heart rate (raven sliding past the window trailing ropes gets the heart going) decided to withdraw from rally and focus on getting home in 1 piece ... in reality the weather for Barton was not looking great for Sat PM and Sun AM and I could not get caught in Barton as I had to work)

    Very nice comittee member from Fenland took pity and let me sleep in the club house

    Saturday

    06.00 - packed up and headed home

    08.30 - full breakfast in the Stoke cafe with Raven in hangar

    So no ribbon this year but I will be back next. Cheers.

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    Just to keep in the loop. Nick and I made two attempts to break out on Thursday. Thwarted by rain /low cloud so back to Barton. Spent Friday paddling around Manchester - excellent Art Gallery. Decided to pull out and head back to Popham Saturday rather than risk not getting back on Sunday. Well done everyone.

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    Hi John

    It was 9 micro grammes :jumpin: not 9%, that was what you was drinking :turn:

    I was at BBQ near oulton park all day Saturday, I didn't see anyone fly over but the weather was good most of the day.

    Good to see you

    Me

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    I really don't see what all the fuss is about regarding weather and the arrival time limitation. The event needs to have a timescale for the purtposes of establishing completion of the task and deciding positions in the final reckoning.
    We didn't have the rain on the saturday afternoon at Barton, just strong wionds. As has been said, it is all about planning. The only difficulty that I found was that weather predictions were only a rough guide at best. in particular, cloudbase indications proved to be almost worthless.
    An example of how this caused participants to vary plans whilst on route was choosing to avoid high ground ahead, miss the Malvern Hills waypoint and continue to Wolverhampton. If my blurred memory of saturday night is correct, I spoke to two others who made similar decisions whilst in the same area around Ternhill/Shawbury. I was looking at rain ahead with low cloud and rising ground. The acronyms AAIB and CFIT flashed across my mind and the decision to alter my planned route was a no brainer.
    John was right to keep to the rules and I was prepared for the possibility of not getting back to finish if the weather went against us.

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    Although I didn't make it to Barton, having spent Tuesday extracting my aircraft from a field, I'd like to thank John Moore for organising the event and I will definitely be entering next year.

    It is worth noting that John canvassed the competitors' opinions by email before making a go/no go decision to hold the event and the majority voted for Go.

    To have changed the rules halfway through the rally would have been a nonsense. The event is all about flight planning and reading the weather. It is always the pilot's decision whether to fly or not. Not someone else's. There was nothing to stop pilots just staying in the Barton area if they so wished, and perhaps winning the event by those tactics.

    The lack of incidents would seem to show that the pilots exercised admirable decision making and did not place accumulating a score over flight safety.

    Therefore the personal criticism of John seems completely uncalled for.

    Congratulations to the winners and all those who took part - I look forward to reading the write up and seeing the pictures in next months' MF.

    [Andy - PJK is Peter Kelsey, a long standing forum 'troll'/egotist, who has been making critical postings on the main BMAA website and facebook today and maybe here, but I wouldn't know as he's on my ignore list ]

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    I see a number have signed up already )

    Ian Lee wrote: I agree 100% with Carl. Those who wanted to take part did so, and other chose not to. Fairy nuff either way. I for one was not under any undue duress, and the weather was marginal...but flyable. I ended up aborting my effort at getting the waypoints down near Coventry yesterday because the winds aloft were too choppy for comfort (first time I've unlatched my visor in preparation for a "technicolour yawn", but I did manage to bag Buxton VRP. I made my way back up to Barton in plenty of time for the finish and landed in 20 Kt winds gusting to 35. What have I got out of it?
    1. I stretched my limits
    2. I can fly in 20kt winds and 35kt gusts, however I normally won't bother
    3. I met a fantastic group of fellow aviators. Carl, Laura is a gem, and one gutsy lady
    4. I respect John Moore for putting on the event. It may not agree with everyone but by letting aviators make the choice we all got back with no accidents. Well done John. PLEASE do another next year!!!!!
    5. My tent doesn't leak [IMG]/emoticons/wink.gif[/IMG], unlike Bill & Roger's.
    6. I do apparently snore! Sorry guys.

    and most important of all

    I WON my class [IMG]/emoticons/smile.gif[/IMG]

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    Well done John. Shows the power of volunteers over 'pressed men'.

    Joan

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    Hi all,

    I have just installed myself in my favourite armchair with my feet up.

    The event went without incident. Almost all who started made it back to Barton (the schools were doing circuits most of the afternoon by the way).

    This year was much, much, much easier to pull together than last year because it was all pretty familiar stuff. Barton were excellent. Nothing was too much problem - same for Mark @ Mainair... thanks for charging up my radio and the spontaneous question regarding air law - 9% whoo hoo I got it right..

    The scoring system worked exceptionally well. Two loggers had not recorded on two of the days however the pilots were able to prove their trip by other means (trace from an iPad, a 296 and a camera). Working one to one with the pilot to reach the agreed score worked really well with no arguments at all. I laughed my c*ck off at the guy who flew down to Start Point on the south coast then over Cape Wrath at the top of Scotland. He was that keen not to "do an RMH" he flew around them half a dozen times haha.

    Help. I had asked most of the BMAA Council to help and had a HELP ME link on the website. Despite this I only had one volunteer come forward so thank you to Barton staff for marshalling etc. I am not convinced that any more staff would have made the event run any more smoothly though. I had simplified just about as much as possible so it was all pretty straight forward. The only unknown was Google Earth and the loggers. Pleased to say my simples method worked well despite one or two merchants of doom. Bless them..

    Finally thanks to Kirk for tweaking the spreadsheet for me, Guy for checking the score sheet and John Bradbury for his support. Wolverhampton has been mentioned in dispatches too.

    Oh... More curry required (hands up all who had two portions though )

    BJ

    Ian Lee wrote: I agree 100% with Carl. Those who wanted to take part did so, and other chose not to. Fairy nuff either way. I for one was not under any undue duress, and the weather was marginal...but flyable. I ended up aborting my effort at getting the waypoints down near Coventry yesterday because the winds aloft were too choppy for comfort (first time I've unlatched my visor in preparation for a "technicolour yawn", but I did manage to bag Buxton VRP. I made my way back up to Barton in plenty of time for the finish and landed in 20 Kt winds gusting to 35. What have I got out of it?
    1. I stretched my limits
    2. I can fly in 20kt winds and 35kt gusts, however I normally won't bother
    3. I met a fantastic group of fellow aviators. Carl, Laura is a gem, and one gutsy lady
    4. I respect John Moore for putting on the event. It may not agree with everyone but by letting aviators make the choice we all got back with no accidents. Well done John. PLEASE do another next year!!!!!
    5. My tent doesn't leak [IMG]/emoticons/wink.gif[/IMG], unlike Bill & Roger's.
    6. I do apparently snore! Sorry guys.

    and most important of all

    I WON my class [IMG]/emoticons/smile.gif[/IMG]

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    Well done Ian !

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    I agree 100% with Carl. Those who wanted to take part did so, and other chose not to. Fairy nuff either way. I for one was not under any undue duress, and the weather was marginal...but flyable. I ended up aborting my effort at getting the waypoints down near Coventry yesterday because the winds aloft were too choppy for comfort (first time I've unlatched my visor in preparation for a "technicolour yawn"), but I did manage to bag Buxton VRP. I made my way back up to Barton in plenty of time for the finish and landed in 20 Kt winds gusting to 35. What have I got out of it?
    1. I stretched my limits
    2. I can fly in 20kt winds and 35kt gusts, however I normally won't bother
    3. I met a fantastic group of fellow aviators. Carl, Laura is a gem, and one gutsy lady
    4. I respect John Moore for putting on the event. It may not agree with everyone but by letting aviators make the choice we all got back with no accidents. Well done John. PLEASE do another next year!!!!!
    5. My tent doesn't leak [IMG]/emoticons/wink.gif[/IMG], unlike Bill & Roger's.
    6. I do apparently snore! Sorry guys.

    and most important of all

    I WON my class [IMG]/emoticons/smile.gif[/IMG]

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  • Andy_Fell
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    Glad to hear it went well in the end, what a relief .

    Who's PJK ??

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  • Carl_B
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    We all know PJK still posts on these forums, funny how the other post (on barton's public facebook page) you talk of Frank is so similar to the one above, but goes further in mentioning names and publicly implying the event was made dangerous by it's organisation. Maybe one day PJK will learn!

    The weather was pleasant at Barton, I landed at 5.30 to watch what was going on and show my support, I then flew back to Ince at 6.30, put the aircraft away then drove to Barton for the awards since two of the Ince lot competed (one of them being the missus) and the rain didn't start till 8.00.

    From what I observed a good time was had by all without any hint of an incident. Well done everyone that took part and well done to John for his efforts in organising the RBR

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    Someone who shall remain namelessf also saw this thread and decided to get his high horse out for his moment of fame on the internet. As for getting back to Barton .... too right otherwise competitors would have just headed off all over the place to get as many points as possible without a thought of planning to get back to Barton. Including the finish point then requires the competitor to plan for it taking into account all the weather problems, if that meant just flying to the closest accessible waypoints then so be it.

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  • Carl_B
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    The skill in getting back to barton is to be there before any weather arrives, perfectly flyable at ince with a fairly strong wind. Rans just set off to scoop more points then get to barton early afternoon. If a pilot thinks they cannot get there safely, then they don't attempt it, simple! It is a pilots responsibility, not the organisers

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