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  • How did it all go?

    Well the RbR for another year has come and gone.

    Despite the best efforts of rain, cloud and gales over the Friday/Saturday there were competitors that
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    * Got to the starting line on Wednesday (small number)

    * Started the rally on the Thursday (smaller number)

    * Got to the finishing line on the Saturday (even small number)[/list type=decimal]
    So while I cannot sign up to the famous quote "I counted them out and I counted them all back in again" I can say that it was a sucessful rally for the most part and I have a lot of feedback from competitors on how to improve the rally next year.

    Full results and update will be here and on the rally website bby the weekend.

    Thanks to all who took part.

  • #2
    How did it all go?

    Would you consider NOT overlapping it with Fly-UK in future.

    I know they are 'different events' - but I'm sure there is some cross over in people wanting to do both.

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    • #3
      How did it all go?

      Well IF we get a flying on the Isle of Wight next year we will align it to end at the flyin on the saturday.

      The reason they align at the moment i nothing to do with intention to overlap or 'compete' with each other but everything to do with the difficulty of finding a weekend in the summer that is not already covered by another major event or a bank holiday.

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      • #4
        How did it all go?

        Thanks again for doing the organising Kirk.

        Despite the challenging weather (and ever-changing visibility!) I enjoyed the experience and will try and be back next year.

        My spine may never be the same again after flying a TST from Devon to Edinburgh and back, but I met some great people on the way and it was one hell of a bimble!

        I've put some pics up at /plus.google.com/photos/118336535351940331175/albums/5893514258965459249

        The view over the Lake District made up for not scoring any points on Day 2.

        Tom

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        • #5
          How did it all go?

          Would you consider not overlapping Fly-UK with the RBR?

          The date for the RBR this year was decided and announced 12 months ago.

          Cheek... harumph..
          Gary Oliver wrote: Would you consider NOT overlapping it with Fly-UK in future.

          I know they are 'different events' - but I'm sure there is some cross over in people wanting to do both.

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          • #6
            How did it all go?

            sorry John, no offence.

            could Fly-uk then considder NOT overlapping with RBR....better?

            just seems daft that these two events compete head to head when the same characters would like to do both.

            cheers,

            Gaz

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            • #7
              How did it all go?

              Well John is not the organiser now but he did set the date last year at the end of the 2012 RbR and when I took up the running earlier this year I saw no reason to change it as its hard enough for people to organise 4-5 days off in a week to do the RbR without the organiser moving the date that had already been announced - basically once a date is announced for an event like RbR or Fly UK I'm afraid thats pretty much it.

              For next year as I have already posted IF the BMAA have a fly-in on the isle of wight then the RbR will end there.

              Cheers

              Kirk

              having just taken part in Fly Uk I have to say this was a brilliant event this year especially keeping the group together. Fly Uk has now run successfully for the past 10 years and needs to be acknowledged as an established part of the calender. The RBR organizer had a a choice to avoid the same week, liaise with Tom Dawson or at least a try to bring the 2 events together at one of the airfields.

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              • #8
                How did it all go?

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                I totally agree with Peters sentiments.
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                Fly-Uk has been running for 10 years, following the demise of the original RBR, and is organised around the longest day.
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                Itís a 10-day non competitive, no pressure tour of the UK by microlights, with a great social atmosphere.
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                Fly-UK is immensely popular, and scores of aircraft (and airfields) join in on various parts of the tour.
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                Tom Dawson has received two BMAA awards for his efforts, despite the event being independent of the BMAA.
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                The RBR was resurrected 3 years ago and is a shorter 3-day affair, this event also has great future potential.
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                Astonishingly, the 3 days of the RBR yet again overlapped the Fly-UK dates, potentially diluting numbers in both events.
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                You couldnít make it up!
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                I wholeheartedly sympathise with the frustrated pilots who wouldíve participated in both 2013 events, but couldnít due to the date clash.

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                Surely, It would be very easy indeed at this stage to ensure the 2014 RBR and any Spamfield event didnít clash with Fly-UK 2014.
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                (Trustee of the Bakers Dozen Syndicate)

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                • #9
                  How did it all go?

                  Kirk - why have you taken it upon yourself to edit my post and remove the questions i asked. i wasn't rude and i didn't swear but you have totally avoided the questions. In fact you didn't even allow them it to be asked.

                  My questions were for John Moore who had set the date and I was asking if he (or you as the organiser this year) had attempted to liaise with Tom Dawson.

                  What you seem to be saying is a quite definite no.... and you seem to be potentially threatening the future of Fly Uk by planning Spamfield to undermine it next year.

                  I find it hard to accept that the BMAA is being so high handed about this. You have a whole year to plan.... Fly Uk always falls on the longest day.... you have a diary so there is no reasonable excuse now to clash next year.

                  PS Please don't edit my posts again

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                  • #10
                    How did it all go?

                    so do we have dates yet for either event for next year?
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                    • #11
                      How did it all go?

                      Peter Goff wrote: Kirk - why have you taken it upon yourself to edit my post and remove the questions i asked. i wasn't rude and i didn't swear but you have totally avoided the questions. In fact you didn't even allow them it to be asked.

                      My questions were for John Moore who had set the date and I was asking if he (or you as the organiser this year) had attempted to liaise with Tom Dawson.

                      What you seem to be saying is a quite definite no.... and you seem to be potentially threatening the future of Fly Uk by planning Spamfield to undermine it next year.

                      I find it hard to accept that the BMAA is being so high handed about this. You have a whole year to plan.... Fly Uk always falls on the longest day.... you have a diary so there is no reasonable excuse now to clash next year.

                      PS Please don't edit my posts again
                      Hey up - this isn't the BMAA being high handed. it isn't organised by the BMAA. Its the same as any other event. Dates etc set by the organisers. it is only a 'BMAA event' in so much that ( like most microlight events) it uses the BMAA event insurance ( which fly UK might do as well I don't know).

                      As an event organiser myself a few times, I know that May to September is wall to wall with other events and its impossible to avoid a clash with something. Often all you can do is to look at published dates and do your best to avoid a clash with stuff you think will attract your potential customer and give you lower numbers.

                      Its really an embarrassment of riches - we have the nationals league running an event every two to three weeks, fly UK and RBR, Aero Expo, LAA rally, Vannes, Blois, great north Fly in, Cramfield,and Broadmeadow ( this week) Icarus cup, and countless local fly in's, so choice of events to go to almost every week in the summer up and down the country and into France and beyond - isnt it great!

                      Also are we sure that the RBR / fly UK overlap was a 'clash'- would people want to do both? - lots of time off work and a couple of grand in fuel to do both, and huge brownie point loss for family holiday prospects. I would have thought it was an 'either or' kind of thing, depending on the sort of event you fancied.

                      If we do have a BMAA Fly in next year, then I am sure the date will be picked to find a convenient hole in the calendar so it doesn't clash with any other microlight event if possible. But if both RBR and Fly UK ( or indeed any other event) organisers want to sync in and finish at it - the clash will be their own business.

                      Paul

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                      • #12
                        How did it all go?

                        What a lot of fuss..

                        Spamfield pre-dated Tom's event. I always planned Spamfield close to the dates I always used because it worked for me. When I resurrected the RBR I slotted into dates that were available at Barton that meshed with when I was available.

                        Potential competitors had the option to slot into when I and Barton was available because both of those things were fundamental to it working..

                        Thats it really.

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                        • #13
                          How did it all go?

                          My apology - I simply clicked on the wrong button without noticing - the moderate button was hit and not the reply with quote.

                          My intent was to reply with quote and when I do that I keep the post short by removing original material that I am not responding to.

                          There was no intent to delete your post but there was in fact deletion for which I am sorry.

                          My point was that people are having a go at John M for the clash of dates - John M was not the organiser that took the RbR through to run this year but did set up the dates etc before handing over to me. My point is that with ANY time in the UK summer there are so many events and issues around that its not possible to avoid clashing dates.

                          I also pointed out that once a date - any date - is announced and people have started planning thats it - the date is fixed as you can't expect poeple to rearrange weeks off work etc.

                          nuff said really - the RbR ran, it was a small event but those who took part enjoyed themselves as I hope the Fly UK people did.

                          Cheers and I promise to look twice before clicking on icons to reply from now on.

                          Peter Goff wrote: Kirk - why have you taken it upon yourself to edit my post and remove the questions i asked. i wasn't rude and i didn't swear but you have totally avoided the questions. In fact you didn't even allow them it to be asked.

                          My questions were for John Moore who had set the date and I was asking if he (or you as the organiser this year) had attempted to liaise with Tom Dawson.

                          What you seem to be saying is a quite definite no.... and you seem to be potentially threatening the future of Fly Uk by planning Spamfield to undermine it next year.

                          I find it hard to accept that the BMAA is being so high handed about this. You have a whole year to plan.... Fly Uk always falls on the longest day.... you have a diary so there is no reasonable excuse now to clash next year.

                          PS Please don't edit my posts again

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                          • #14
                            How did it all go?

                            Thanks Kirk - understandable mistake.

                            I notice the date for Fly Uk 2014 has been posted on this forum as 20th June - wouldn't it be great if either the beginning or end could coincide with Spamfield.

                            Cheers

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                            • #15
                              How did it all go?

                              Hiya guys. For me it was my first taste of competing on a microlight, let alone serious XC, UK airspace, landing out etc. It was a brilliant experience and I learnt a lot. I will definitely be there again next year, all things permitting, and I look forward to some of the newer aspects being introduced that Kirk has discussed for next year.

                              For me, I would prefer it to steer clear of Fly UK. They are events with similarities and I am sure we lost some aircraft to it. But that is a minor point really in the scheme of things. Just early PR will be enough to get the numbers up I am sure and I will be happy to help with this where I can.

                              I am looking forward to the traces being available ASAP as I would like analyse what I did and when, along with all the other guys that attended.

                              In summary, the best microlighting I have done to date. I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait to do it again!

                              Brett

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